THE GROW PODCAST | S1E3 | Unforced Rhythms | Summer Lee | Purpose Driven Coaching & Consulting
Beth 0:00
Welcome back to the Grow Podcast. I'm Beth, and I'm your host for this season, where we're stepping through summer's grow framework. We're teaching you all about it. If you've listened to our last episode on red flags, you know that we have been busy peeling back the layers and helping you recognize that you might be out of rhythm with God's best for your life. Now shout out to all the high achieving women who feel stuck, exhausted and out of alignment, and that you know that some of you listening are not yet aware that there is a better way. There's more. Today's conversation is a powerful one. For that reason, we're talking about grace and not just in theory, like you probably feel like you already know. So don't tune me out. Don't tune this conversation out. It is so foundational and it is so important. I promise you, I've listened to the conversation. I'm a part of it. You are going to learn something that you did not know before you listened. Summer shares honestly how her understanding of grace has completely shifted and expanded over time. She opens up about seasons where she's had to receive grace before she could extend it to herself or anyone else, and how that shift has changed everything, and how she lives, how she leads, how she helps others heal and lead, and how she approaches life, relationships and work. Summer created the Grow framework out of her own lived experience. What you're going to hear today is a deeply personal invitation into that first step. It's Grace. So let's dive in and let's just jump right in to the conversation.
Beth 1:45
What would you have defined Grace at before?
Summer 1:48
So I think that my definition of grace has not changed, but I think that when I thought about grace before, it was in the context of grace, in my own power, right to give grace to myself, right to give grace to to others. So example, I was really hard on myself with my workouts and my my my eating and so I would have to learn to give myself grace when, because I was just rigid about things, and I have to, like, let myself off the hook, right? So I kind of viewed it in in that I'm not going to call it humanistic, but maybe I'll call it humanistic view of of of grace. What? What is so different now is understanding that grace, even though I may be able to give it to myself or give it to others, I only can do that because I've received it from God. When I haven't given myself grace, I've learned that it's because I was not receiving God's grace. So how can I give grace when I'm not receiving grace? And so that's been the huge lesson for me around grace is understanding, which is hard for us right to even fathom God's grace, that completely undeserved, unearned favor. You know that that God just rains down on us, it's hard to receive something that we feel like we have not worked for to earn? You know, of course, that's where people probably struggle with salvation. You know, it's like, I don't deserve that. And I think that growing up, you know, in church, being a Christian, I understood grace by faith had saved me, but I really didn't understand until, you know this journey, that grace is also what would sustain me, grace is also what empowered me, that God was giving me this supernatural ability because of who he is, not because of What I've done. It's just my definition of grace before it was Grace, but it didn't involve God, even though I knew God, it just I wasn't connecting the two.
Summer 4:31
Yeah, so it sounds like your definition has expanded good to good. Word overlap the other areas, I think, just as high achieving people and leaders and business owners, we segment a lot of things. So when you think of grace, you look at it from that independent place. If, if you value independence, it's not that you could if someone would have said, summer you're. Saved by God's grace. You were in You completely agreed with that, and you knew that, and you had salvation. But to really, truly define grace or have something in your life that requires you to confront reality, that you have to really define what these words mean, because words are important, and then make sure your life is in alignment with them, you realize, oh, wow, these things really overlap. But once you really grab on to God's grace, you realize it starts rippling out and rippling out and rippling out, and it is what actually sustains you. And you said it so beautifully. It empowers you like Grace empowers you. It's so beautiful
Summer 5:42
Well. And I think if you go back to, you know, my story of my whole life, right? My my personality, I'm very hard on myself. Many high achieving women are, yes, very hard on ourselves, and we have very high expectations of not only ourselves, but of other people. And I found that one of my my flaws sometimes in relating to other people, I I had the same expectations of other people that I was placing on myself, so when they did not behave according to the way I thought they should. You know, I had an opinion about that, and that was one of the places that I really probably first had to start working on with grace, is learning to let go of some of the rigidity and the expectations that I placed on myself, and to also learn to See to see myself and to see other people through a different lens. Of course, that expansion of that became learning to see them through God's eyes, and also understanding that, gosh, we don't understand, we don't know everything that has gone on in someone's life that makes them the way that they are
Beth 7:03
That is so powerful. Yeah,
Summer 7:05
You know, I give huge credit to my mother for always raising us with the reminder of like you, you just don't know their struggle. You don't know I just appreciate how she taught us to not be critical, not be judgmental, because you just, you don't know someone's story, and to give grace, don't we all need it? Yeah. I mean, don't we all need it You know? You know. Now, sometimes when you see things, or you see something that you might would have used to criticize, now I feelempathy, and that's, that's the grace
Speaker 1 7:38
Well, and I think that going through grow like, it's that spiritual maturity. It's that walk of it's always getting better at getting better. It's not like a one and done, like, Oh, I've arrived and like, I'm there. And so in that walk to maturity, like, yeah, your empathy deepens and grows. It starts overlapping the other areas of your life, that's a very powerful thing to realize so that self awareness becomes like the goal.
Summer 8:10
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Beth 8:39
Can you think of a time where you felt maybe unworthy of grace, like a particular time.
Summer 8:47
Yeah, the the time that comes to my mind is after I sold my financial planning business. I intended to take a short season. I thought it would be a short season of rest, because I needed to to recover and I needed to heal. And what that meant for a while was literally doing nothing. I I would find myself with no plan for the day. You know, I was accustomed to, like meetings back to back, you know, a million things to do, and so busy, and all of a sudden I have no agenda for the day. Nothing scheduled. I just needed to be and I needed to lay down on the couch, sometimes during the middle of the afternoon, and just close my eyes or go out and just sit on the porch or sit in the yard because my nervous system was so wrecked. My counselor had told me, you know, like she explained to me, the different levels of rest, but, but one of the things that she needed me to do was nothing, yeah, and I didn't know how to do that, and I would find myself feeling so guilty for doing nothing. You. Because my husband was doing a lot of something right, and we had always been a team. We all we are a team, but my role on the team was also as an earner, right and a producer, and I struggled with the guilt and did not feel like I had the right to give myself even that type of grace to rest and heal, although Jason gave it to me, God was giving it to me, but I was struggling giving it to myself, and I remember going on walks with the dog, and I was praying, and was like, What is wrong with me? God, you're giving me all this grace, this beautiful freedom, this opportunity to heal, this time, this space, and I'm fighting you. I'm fighting you because I can't just receive it. I read, I came across this book in a bookstore. It grabbed my attention. It's called Purpose Fooled.
Beth 10:59
Oh, you had me read that from
Summer 11:01
Kelly Needham. It's, I'm endorsing it. You must read it. She starts off in that book talking about just how her husband had this stage and platform, and she was kind of behind the scenes, doing all the things, you know, as the mom and she was struggling with with with, what about me, right? I'm, I'm, I'm supposed to be doing these things. I have skills. I have talents. And I found myself in that very same place going. I have so much more to offer than this. I need to be doing something. But her book gave me such a perspective shift from believing that my purpose was found in doing things to understanding that my purpose was in knowing God and in having a relationship with Him. Now through that knowing there are things he wants us to do, but sometimes what He wants us to do is receive. Her book just gave me a clarity that gave me peace, to just recognize that in the season that I was in, God didn't need me to do. He wanted me to receive he wanted to heal me. He wanted to speak to me. He wanted to spend time with me. He wanted me to do the same with him, right? And it was a huge shift that served to not only like help me during the rest season, but to change my rhythm as to how I move forward in my life from that point forward. So Grace really was the beginning point which I'm so orderly, I kept wanting to find out if grow had like, if it was sequential? Yeah, and grow really is sequential. Because if you don't learn grace and learn how to receive grace, how do we rest? I have to be able to receive God's grace if I'm going to rest, what? And I know we'll get to rest. But what I didn't understand, I don't think about rest, was that it wouldn't be on the physical I understood physical rest, but I didn't understand the emotional and the spiritual part of rest, meaning I'm going to release my control to God. I'm going to rest in Him and allow Him to call the shots, and not me calling the shots, right? So if God's going to be in control and I'm not, I need for him to tell me what to do, right? Which is where obedience comes in, you know? And so if, if I'm not in control, and God, I'm following your leading, I need to be able to hear you clearly so that I can obey. And a lot of times that obedience includes waiting for God's perfect timing, for his voice, for direction, right? And so it was so cool how we didn't really intend that grow with sequential, but grow with sequential,
Beth 14:23
right? I love that. I love love,
Summer 14:25
love that. But it all starts, you know, with fully understanding the power that grace has in our life to allow us to do these other things, to rest, to obey, to wait,
Beth 14:46
yeah. And if you get them, like, if you think about them too hard, out of order, you realize, oh my gosh, they can't happen out of order, but they happen like, almost all at the same time, yeah, in order. Yeah. I love the way that you say it in your languages. I'm going to read this. It says it all starts with receiving and walking and God's grace. So there is an active part on our part. The tension is, hey, I don't want to walk without God telling me to walk this way or that way, there's a safety net, because if you walk the wrong way, Grace just kind of redirects you. If you rest in Him, He he'll redirect you. And as you're resting in Him, you can start to rest assure, pardon the pun, that the desires on your heart are in alignment, and that's where the empowerment comes in. Like Grace empowers you to walk in your gifting. I love the way you say it here, as we grow in God's grace, we are more equipped to learn his unforced rhythms.
Summer 15:54
The scripture that was foundational to this was Matthew 11:28-30, and it's the Message translation of it, which is such a beautiful translation I have to read it. It says, Are you tired? Worn out, burn out? On religion, come to me. Get away with me, and you'll recover your life. I'll show you how to take a real rest. Walk with me and work with me. Watch how I do it. Learn the unforced rhythms of grace. I won't lay anything heavy or ill fitting on you. Keep company with me, and you'll learn to live freely and lightly. And I would have named a book unforced rhythms or so there was something like that. There's so many books out there named that, but I kept hanging on that unforced rhythms of grace.
Beth 16:43
The word of God is so powerful. And, you know, just to read that I could feel, I could feel the Holy Spirit just filling me back up with His grace. And that's what it's all about, because that it's not a one and done. You know, so many people depending on what their belief system is, it's like, oh, Grace saved me. Yeah, Grace did save you, but it also in addition to like, until that definition expands and starts overlapping every part of your life, not just your personal life, but your family, your marriage, your friendships, your kids, your work, and you start allowing that to become the umbrella that you live under, that empowers you, that fuels you, like you're going to strive. There is no other word, and you, you have said it before to me, that's not all. Striving is bad, and I completely can understand that, but you're always going to strive if you do not understand that, it's God's grace that empowers you. Yeah, like this is so big,
Summer 17:49
Well, it's so good. And in that verse, you know, just going back to it, you know, we're invited into a real life giving relationship with Jesus, right? Where Jesus teaches us these things, right? He says, Walk withme. Learn with me. I'll show you how to do it, you know? And it's like this, he's, he's that unforced rhythm of grace. Says, release. I'm goingto call it like the chains of a, a works based mentality, right? The doing, like, kind of releasing that and recognize that there's nothing that you can do right to earn God's grace. And I think that's what we have to let go of.
Beth 18:32
It's so true because you said the doing versus sometimes we don't need to do. We just need to receive. So from a practical standpoint, like, how do you do that? Well, like, help me understand, like, what that looks like for you. Because I know what it looks like for me. What does that look like for you now?
Summer 18:50
To give myself, to receive God's grace, it means, it probably means alot of different things. I'm going to give you an example. Okay, I don't, and I'm sure you don't either, many of you probably don't always have the capacity to do the things that you might have on your to do list for the day.
Beth 19:10
No, that is right, that yes, I feel that to my core,
Summer 19:13
yeah. And especially at our age, you know, in our mid and late 40s, things are a little bit different. You know, in our bodies and I have, I have found that I simply cannot do the things that I used to do. I have learned to be very protective of my capacity, because I only have so much of it now, right, right? And I feel like Grace has been learning that I don't have to do all the things. I don't have to be all the things grace is. It allows me to rest when I need to rest, instead of be busy doing my to do list. And sometimes rest that doesn't always mean so can be deceiving. It doesn't mean I'm going to go take a nap all the time, right? Sometimes rest just means I'm going to read a book, or I'm going to get my toenails done, or I'm going to do something mindless, you know, around the house, because I don't have the capacity to engage in something that demands a lot from my brain. So practically, I think Grace means I don't beat myself up over that. I don't I don't worry about or stress about what didn't get done that needed to get done. I trust that the things that I think are important probably aren't that important sometimes, and that the things that are important, God will give me the space in the right time to do those things,
Beth 21:09
yeah, which brings us all full circle to the waiting part, which we'll get to for sure.
Summer 21:15
It's like, there's a piece, yeah, there's grace gives a peace instead of an urgency, it's like, I have peace about these things they will get done when they're supposed to. I was speaking to a woman yesterday, and she was needing to get a grant filled out. And you know, she's also exhausted and about to take some leave, and she's been through a lot, and, you know, she was like, I've got to get this, you know, Grant done in the morning. And I was like, you know, even if you don't, it's okay, because God will provide another way. You know, it's like just learning that trust that, you know, today, Grace says, I don't have the capacity to do that, I'm going to let it go, because I'm going to trust that God will pave another way when I do have the capacity, or when he's ready.
Beth 22:04
Yeah, that's good. I found it so interesting that we started this conversation about how Grace just it expands things like your definition expanded, but grace, in and of itself, it's an expansion because it's once it saves you, it sustains you, and it empowers you, like that's expansion. And then now here we sit, talking about the capacity and having to protect our capacity, but that capacity is able to expand when you're living under absolutely and so the two things have to be held in tension, because if you are working outsideyour capacity, and you're doing, doing, doing, doing, you are going to feel worn out, slap out, worn out, and never like you're either too much or not enough kind of feeling. However, if you step under this grace and you're allowing God's grace to empower you. You might still find yourself doing, doing, doing when he tells you to, but he's empowering you, and you hold that so differently. I love the way you said. Rest is not always just doing nothing, resting in Him, which we're going to talk about in the next episode in depth. It has to be smothered in grace, like it's the only way rest redeems time and allows that capacity to be expanded in a way that God always intended. I've got chills all down me. It's like, once you step into that, you know, you might be doing more than you ever did, but it's gonna be with
Summer 23:44
it's empowered.
Beth 23:45
It's gonna be empowered
Summer 23:47
by the Holy Spirit,
Beth 23:48
by the Holy Spirit,
Summer 23:49
yeah, which is so different than trying to do it all in our own power. So I was thinking of another practical example, you know, kind of going back to like we talked about in the previous episode with, you know, juggling these, these balls, right? And we don't want to let one of them drop. Well, there's a huge struggle, I think, with high achieving women, to not delegate Well, right? And I think that there's an element here with grace that we have to trust that if we let go of some of these balls that we're juggling, or we hand them off, or we delegate to someone else, we have to trust those in someone else's hands, right? That's good, okay, God's hands, but maybe God is also offering a hand that is an assistant you know, or someone else on your team right, or a coach, and
Beth 24:47
it's for a season. And when you're in the right season with the right people, man, talk about expansion, that's when God really starts multiplying. He starts multiplying time, resources, abilities, creativity, all the things, all because of his grace. I think that that is so beautiful. You mentioned the doing mentality a little while ago. I really feel like there's someone within the sound of my voice that's really struggling with that perfectionism, which I think is very common for women in general, especially high achieving women. I just want to speak for a moment on perfectionism, because I just I feel it stirring. I feel like there's someone listening. And I love when this happens, because I can't wait to hear from the person that says, Oh my gosh, that one part about perfectionism completely set me free. I was driving down the road and, like, what you said, completely set me free.
Summer 25:50
Well, I'll probably say, I probably hopefully would say it to them gentler than I'll say it right now. I mean, you know, perfectionism is a form of control, right? So we first have to, like, define it for what it is. You know, it is a form of control, and feeling that we have to kind of control the environment or control the outcomes, right? So it's also an unrealistic expectation, like, there's just no such thing as perfect anything. And I believe that excellence in all that we do is something that we need to work towards and that we should do, but the expectation of perfectionism is not realistic. Perfectionism, to me, is an attempt to control chaos.
Beth 26:40
So that's like a fruit of and you had said maybe in a previous episode, but you just never know. Or maybe it was this one, I can't remember, but you never know what someone is going through, like you just, you just never, ever, ever know, and it doesn't mean what they're going through currently. You don't know what they went through in their childhood, all right, or what their parents went through, through their childhood, and why they do what they do. But it takes a very empathetic person to come alongside someone and say, I care about what you're going through, and I care about what you have gone through, and you maybe have never connected the fact that something that happened in your childhood that you don't even think about anymore is manifest. Is manifesting in this way, yeah. And it takes a lot of humility to sit in front of someone and say, Hey, I'm ready to address this elephant in the room that I don't even see.
Summer 27:28
And we need God's grace to wash over that, you know, and and that can that, that will be so free.
Beth 27:36
That's what I'm saying. Someone is, yeah, someone within the sound of my voice right now is is hearing this, and they're saying, oh my gosh, she just gave me permission and to let go, to let go.
Summer 27:47
So here's another example that I would imagine many of you probably struggle with. I certainly do, and it's with when and how I want things done. My husband says this to me all the time. He'll go I told you I was going to do that. I would have done it, but you went ahead of me and you did it, even though I told you I was going to do it, because you wanted it done sooner and faster or differently than I would have done it. I'm terrible about that, and I'm having to work on that, because I'm I'm hanging on to something that just does not belong to me. You know, he's perfectly capable. It doesn't always have to be done exactly the way I think it should be done, which he'll say always think is better. You know, like my way is always better, right? Or in the timing that I want it done, and I guess what I'm we're where we're going, maybe with this is we're setting ourselves up for brokenness sometimes in some of our relationships. You know, when we when we hang on to those very rigid expectations of others and of ourselves and to that perfectionism, it can be very severing to the people that we're in relationship with, because they feel like they aren't good enough, that they they are not good enough to do it themselves, to be able to extend grace to them, we have to learn to receive grace and give grace to ourselves. And I think that that was really my story. There is a story to it. If you don't mind me telling I would love to hear that story. Grace kind of became my life word, when in the very beginning of my financial planning career, I was in training with a group of other advisors and the guy who was. Training us is one of the leaders in the organization, and he's amazing Christian man, and he asked us the most incredible question that I ask people now all the time, and the question is, what is your unfair advantage? And what he meant by that is, what has God so uniquely gifted you with that it's almost unfair to everybody else. Oh, wow, that is crazy good. So on the surface, my answer was wrong. I think at first I thought, well, it's being a woman in this industry, you know, we'll know. I had to dig a little deeper. And my answer was, it's my self discipline. Now I wouldn't tell you that today, that's not my unfair advantage. Today, it's changed. This was probably 12 years ago. So I said, it's my self discipline. So he said, Okay, what is the the negative of that same gift? So it's kind of like your greatest strength is your greatest weakness, right? So what's the negative? And I sat there for a second, and I said, I seem rigid. And he said, callous. I was like, ouch, you know? And I said, Yeah. And he closed his eyes, and he just sits there for a minute like he's thinking, or he's probably talking to God, you know, and he just starts saying grace, grace over and over. He kept repeating grace with his eyes closed, and he looked at me, and he said, You need to learn how to give other people grace. And I said, I gotta learn how to give myself Grace first. I mean, how can I give other people Grace if I'm not even giving it to myself, I'm so hard on myself. So he left me with that one.
Beth 31:51
But look at all this time, oh my gosh. Now you realize I can't give anything until I receive it, because we're in an upside down kingdom. That's what we operate in.
Summer 32:01
Yes, and, you know, I'll tell you that story. I have written it, I have told it so many times, and I have asked so many people that question, because it's such a powerful a powerful question. But that's when Grace kind of came into my space, you know, in a way that I it really got my attention. So when you asked me in the beginning, like my definition, how do I initially define it? That's where it came from. Is like I've written so many blogs, you know, from those years that were about learning how to give myself that that grace that then expanded into understanding God's grace. So how would you answer that question? What is your unfair advantage?
Beth 32:49
My unfair advantage, goodness gracious, I honestly. I think my unfair advantage is just what I can walk into a room and I can feel then this is totally the Holy Spirit, but I can feel what everyone is feeling. I can see vision for just about every like I can just turn to people. I can just see into the spiritual realm. That is my un unfair advantage. It's also feel feels like a curse sometimes, because if you, if you don't know how to steward that, and you try to even remotely get ahead of God, even one second, you will collapse in exhaustion. I know that that's a spiritual gifting, but it's an unfair advantage, because it's it's still a choice to walk into that it's really no different, like at this part in my spiritual journey, like I don't like I want to be in the spiritual realm and occasionally experience the physical kind of feeling That's really no different than someone doing the opposite and really good at a skill that they've honed in on. Because we have these spiritual gifts, but we have to mature them. You know, that's not how I was operating in my gift when I was a kid or years ago, although I still had that gift. And so it's by far, I think our spiritual gifts are unfair advantage, and if we don't learn to grow, if we don't choose to walk along with people, allow them to coach us into how what just walking out our salvation and working out our salvation Our biggest strengths in the kingdom, which is our gifts are going to exhaust us. And that exhaustion is actually a gift from God, and sometimes it manifests in health issues and in pain and in relational issues and those, all of those things as horrible and disarray as they. Are. They're gifts. They are gifts from God, and they're an invitation and an opportunity to say, hey, come a little closer, and I will show you how my grace, the same grace that empowered you, I mean, saved you, will also empower you that these are revelations that have come to me since working with you, like, this is the exchange. I knew those things, but just finding the language like the way that the Lord has just extracted this from your story and brought it to the surface, and now here we are. That's very, very powerful.
Summer 35:36
I was sitting here trying to think about, how would I answer that question today, like, what is your unfair advantage? And I'm gonna have to, like, pray on this and dig into it. But what came to the surface for me was discernment,
Beth 35:55
which is also a spiritual gift.
Summer 35:56
It is a spiritual gift. But I when I had to think about, like, what, is the negative of that? I wonder if it's trying, it's the flesh, probably trying too hard sometimes to figure something out.
Beth 36:14
Well, I don't know if you have ever done this, but like, and we're going to get to obedience, and we're going to get to waiting. But I You can't talk about what you just said without considering those those things, because being discerning, the enemy wants to come in and, like, paste a little bit of human onto it and say, Oh yeah, you need to figure that out faster than God has given you what you know, or weaponizing that. Well, God said, I have learned the hard way. Not ever say, Well, God said you need to do this, because those are powerful words. So, I mean, I'm processing too with you, but I think that you're onto something. I think that you need to lean into that and into that. And by the time we get to obedience and waiting like you're gonna have something that is like, whoa, like hallelujah. Because, I mean, it's all so connected. Don't you agree that is,
Summer 37:14
oh yeah, you can't talk about one without talking about
Beth 37:17
so tell me again, what, what did you tell him that day? Self discipline, self discipline. So isn't it interesting that back then, I mean, I'm trying to think my younger self, I would have said my creativity, what? Like, just my ability to, like, start businesses and, you know, something, in my own strength. But now both of our answers are,
Summer 37:40
oh, that's so cool. Oh, my gosh, yes, because self discipline, Duh, of course, that is in my own strength.
Beth 37:45
It's very interesting. I think that we could do a whole series on that topic alone. Like, if you really think about it, that's really good stuff. I really, really, really like that. I want to go back to the perfectionism. Do you mind if we just pray together for whoever that is, this is for the person that is realizing, just right now, as they listen to all of this, that they are walking in their own strength and that perfectionism is manifesting as control, is really rooted in control. So Father, God, I just come to you, and whoever that is, you know, every hair on their head, you have the whole world in your hands, and I just ask in Your most tender and loving way that this, this person on the other end of my voice that is struggling with that spirit of control, and they're just now for the first time realizing that that spirit of control is manifesting as perfectionism, and it is interrupting the joy of their work. It's interrupting the relationships closest to them. And this is the first moment that they're realizing that that's even a connection. And the answer is your just, your unforced rhythm of grace. And so I pray in the name of Jesus that would be broken off of them and that they would seek to align with strong believers who can coach them through and help them let go of whatever the origin of that is. Lord, I love you, and I am so thankful for you and the opportunity to pray for these people, and I am so thankful that summer has allowed me the opportunity to align with this so we could do that together. I think
Summer 39:25
what I would add thank you for praying is open your hands, let go of what you're holding on to, and give it to God
Beth 39:33
and let him give you back the pieces that are total alignment with His perfect will,
Summer 39:42
amen,
Beth 39:42
that is so beautiful.
Beth 39:44
Okay, so I don't know about you, but hearing summer explain how Grace doesn't just save it empowers that is totally rocking me to my core. It's such a paradigm shift from the way many of us have lived. It's the pushing and the striving and holding it all together in. Own strength is usually what's top mind awareness for us, high achieving women, this conversation actually reminded me that grace really is where the healing begins, and once we truly receive it, it changes how we live, how we lead, and how we relate to not only ourselves, but to those around us. In this next episode, we're going to talk about rest, not just physical rest, but what it means to live deep, spiritual and emotional rest, like that rhythm, that Genesis rhythm, the kind that actually is designed to restore us. So until then, I hope that you give yourself a moment to breathe and to reflect and maybe even to receive the grace God's been offering you all along that empowerment. So until next time, please share this with a friend. You know, go back and listen to some of the red flags and see maybe how you have grown just by listening and leaning into the grace the foundational piece of this episode. I hope to see you next Tom This truly is, oh gosh, it's so good. And it is just getting started. You.
